Interesting read, thanks Joe! I came into this expecting to favour the DSA, but in many ways - when our challenge is to take power and transform the world - it seems that PTB is more effective.
Coordinating campaigns, socialist political education, and actively organising members; I think these are the most important tasks of a party and PTB seems to be leading the way on this?
Hey Joe: Two comments. 1) The two parties are ideologically different; the DSA is a social democratic grouping while the BWP is a socialist party. 2) It is obvious from this piece that you favour the former; I favour the latter: https://theleftlane2024.substack.com/p/today-is-a-good-day-for-a-good-news Alan Story of THE LEFT LANE.
I don’t think this piece indicates preference for the former…. It feels incredibly neutral as a piece and, having thought I’d prefer a multi-tendency broad left organisation, I’ve read the piece and left feeling much keener on the highly disciplined structure of PTB.
Yeah right now I think elements of both could work (will make recommendations in the final report) but I'm very against a UK DSA or UK PTB. I agree on the
ideological differences, but I think 'broad left' is more accurate for the DSA. There are plenty of revolutionary / anarchist / workerists in the DSA who would very much object to being called soc dem!
Interesting read, thanks Joe! I came into this expecting to favour the DSA, but in many ways - when our challenge is to take power and transform the world - it seems that PTB is more effective.
Coordinating campaigns, socialist political education, and actively organising members; I think these are the most important tasks of a party and PTB seems to be leading the way on this?
PS: The two organisations also have a very different class basis.
Hey Joe: Two comments. 1) The two parties are ideologically different; the DSA is a social democratic grouping while the BWP is a socialist party. 2) It is obvious from this piece that you favour the former; I favour the latter: https://theleftlane2024.substack.com/p/today-is-a-good-day-for-a-good-news Alan Story of THE LEFT LANE.
I don’t think this piece indicates preference for the former…. It feels incredibly neutral as a piece and, having thought I’d prefer a multi-tendency broad left organisation, I’ve read the piece and left feeling much keener on the highly disciplined structure of PTB.
So: Well at least we agree on what model is better. The Your Party approach ain't working well at all.
Yeah right now I think elements of both could work (will make recommendations in the final report) but I'm very against a UK DSA or UK PTB. I agree on the
ideological differences, but I think 'broad left' is more accurate for the DSA. There are plenty of revolutionary / anarchist / workerists in the DSA who would very much object to being called soc dem!